- Jason: :
- hi
- how was the neko case show?
- Wynne:
- it was great!
- very romantic
- Jason:
- wow
- sounds great
- Wynne:
- : )
- Jason:
- i kinda don't like her stuff
- Wynne:
- i lover her
- Jason:
- too romantic
- blah
- Wynne:
- awww
- Jason:
- syrupy
- Wynne:
- you can't handle it!
- she has great lyrics
- and her voice/hair
- Jason:
- i think reality is much worse
- i'd rather see slayer
- =)
- Wynne:
- reality?
- god, i'm tired...
- i just felt it
- Jason:
- yep
- means "the state of things as they actually exist".
- Wynne:
- haha
- you mean, not romanticism?
- Jason:
- yes
- Wynne:
- ahh
- reality is romantic
- Jason:
- bullshit
- you ever been to the killing fields in cambodia?
- Wynne:
- are we having another one of these?
- i'm talking about the pieces that are romantic...
- Jason:
- how about auschwitz?
- Wynne:
- glances in cafes
- UGH!
- Jason:
- rapists
- Wynne:
- go on
- Jason:
- that is reality
- Wynne:
- yeah, but so is other stuff
- Jason:
- not your pie-in-the-sky bullshit
- Wynne:
- fine.
- life is trouble, yeah
- Jason:
- romanticism, as a philosophy, died along with 40MM people in WWII
- Wynne:
- but--there is an opposite to it
- Jason:
- good riddance
- Wynne:
- there was romanticism in WWII
- ever ready MAUS?
- *read
- very very romantic
- Jason:
- Dukkha:
- "This is the noble truth of suffering: birth is suffering, aging is suffering, illness is suffering, death is suffering; sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief and despair are suffering; union with what is displeasing is suffering; separation from what is pleasing is suffering; not to get what one wants is suffering; in brief, the five aggregates subject to clinging are suffering."
- yeah, i read maus
- not the same
- that is humanity
- and love
- romanticism is something else, something more sinister and less rational
- Wynne:
- maus is so amazing...
- after you read that, you can't blame anyone for anything
- Jason:
- i see it as the exultation on these things a single idea
- it's untenable
- Wynne:
- life is sufferinggggg
- Jason:
- right
- Wynne:
- yes they are!!!!!
- they are about choices...
- Jason:
- Samudaya: This is the noble truth of the origin of suffering: it is this craving which leads to renewed existence, accompanied by delight and lust, seeking delight here and there, that is, craving for sensual pleasures, craving for existence, craving for extermination.
- Wynne:
- i can't have this conversation over IM
- Jason:
- Nirodha: This is the noble truth of the cessation of suffering: it is the remainderless fading away and cessation of that same craving, the giving up and relinquishing of it, freedom from it, nonreliance on it.
- Wynne:
- i am the ultimate sufferer
- Jason:
- then you are the ultimate human!
- Wynne:
- haha---i rely on suffering
- Jason:
- This is the noble truth of the way leading to the cessation of suffering: it is the Noble Eightfold Path; that is, right view, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration.
- Wynne:
- that is yoga texts right there
- right speech, right action...
- Jason:
- yep
- NOT romanticism
- this guy was not a swami
- http: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Byron
- Wynne:
- okay--i get it
- i get it
- Jason:
- he was an ASSHOLE
- +0
- ok, sorry
- i'm ranting
- Wynne:
- i think you're saying---romanticism as is, flowering reality
- like spinning reality--being unconscious to truth
- 3: 53 - pmJason:
- prizing intuition and emotion over rationalism is folly
- Wynne:
- yes
- Jason:
- so?
- Wynne:
- haha say that to an actor
- Jason:
- neco case sucks!
- they suck too
- Wynne:
- hahaha
- so we go back!
- to the beginning
- Jason:
- HAHAHAH!
- Wynne:
- i love actors
- Jason:
- hate them
- all to a man
- Wynne:
- are you trying to make me hate you so i fuck you?
- Jason:
- yes
- how did you know??!
- Wynne:
- bc i'm a woman
- women loved to be abused
- *love
- Jason:
- it's sad but true
- Wynne:
- love me/hate me/love me
- Jason:
- fuck me
- Wynne:
- then leave me
- ♪ ♫ the toy of it alllll ♪ ♫
July 01, 2009, 9:36am
